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New page! The Tanuki god explains the nature of the seduction technique. I thought it was worth explaining this move as I didn’t want people to get the wrong idea. It’s more like the compression of a more traditional seduction rather than mind control. Love potions and enchantment spells were always a bit dodgy in my opinion. This ability is more about enticing the recipient rather than domination of body or will. Tempting them into the ultimate surrender rather than forcing them into it.
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Yeah I’m out. This is officially a rape fantasy comic
I was worried this would be going too far for some people. Sometimes sexy and ‘too far’ walk a fine line. I did poll this on my Patreon (as I wasn’t sure if I could pull off the idea or even if I should) and people were overwhelmingly in favour of it. I was adamant that this would not be a mind control thing but more a temptation through extreme pleasure but it’s certainly a controversial subject even if the objective is more defeat via romance and pleasure rather than death and dismemberment-Which would be okay? Not that rape is okay. Far from it. But I did go out of my way to make it clear that this is not forced. Despite that it is a thorny subject, so I can understand some people not being on board.
I’ve seen plenty of popular mainstream media where the line of consent is ignored, and I feel like the backlash against that includes anything in a gray area. I’d prefer to explore to discuss those gray areas out of intellectual curiosity instead of eschewing them but I understand the controversy. I also appreciate your sentiment of questioning the readiness to accept brute violence as the solution to conflict.
Lowering inhibitions could be interpreted like being intoxicated, where a part of your personality is temporarily suppressed, and you sober up to regret it later. In that sense, it seems like you would be unable to properly consent. I’d like to think of this power more like sharing your inner self in a more direct and efficient way than trying to get them to listen to an extended dialogue. So the inhibitions that are overcome are more their hostility born from prejudice and ignorance that’s preventing them from listening. Then Sleak’s autonomy isn’t violated.
As an ace person, I’ve had intense feelings for people but that particular desire just isn’t there. From your description, this ability would have a somewhat different result on me. And I imagine there would be some creatures that would be largely unaffected, like the being that rose from the underground chamber where Yarost is, for example?
Yes-That’s certainly what I was trying to get across. It’s like a fast forward on a seduction attempt. Their opponent sees all the good in them and has a good chance of being attracted to them-It’s about being tempted by something inviting rather than having their judegment impared by magic or being compelled to behave in a certain way such as you might find with an enchantment spell or love potion 🙂
Hmm. Well Peter, this might not help. If this is some how considered a “rape-fantasy.” Then my ideas must be greatly outdated then. Because that really didn’t pop in my head after reading this… Of course, this is the internet and with some people… Well, let’s just say that (glass) is more “durable” then they are.
I think we’re on the same page there-I don’t think it is Rape- But that was a danger with this technique if either people misunderstood or if I failed to communicate the situation properly. It’s good to get feedback just in case I’ve taken things too far, but I won’t change my mind on this from one comment (though I think hard about any comment of this nature).
Rape is of course a very serious thing-A horrible thing-So I definitley wouldn’t want to make light of it. That said, art (and particularly erotic art) exists to push boundaries and explore all aspects of the human experience. There must be limits of course, but for me the seduction of an enemy (rather than their violent destruction) takes a step back from the more brutal excesses of mainstream media. A conclusion that results in consenting sexual enjoyment and peaceful devotion rather than slaughter is not an evil thing in my opinion-Though that is only my opinion 🙂
Thanks for the support in this at any rate. Although I try to champion the acceptance of erotica within art, it can be a challenge at times. I struggle with whether it’s right even without critisism (even though I think it’s okay on an intellectual and moral level for sex and erotica to be included in stories aimed at adults) so getting a rebuke can be tough-Though I’ve developed a much thicker skin over the years and I respect everyone’s right to have an opinion 🙂
I am on the fence. It does seem to have gotten rid of the agency of Sleak… by making her THAT horny(yes i know I made a comment in a joking fashion last page about this)… The lowering of inhibitions while good, done as a technique like that is kinda cheap, if you understand my meaning. I mean she is consenting to this in a way…so is it truly “rape”? The moment she says stop or becomes unresponsive then it becomes a felony in the real world.
Yup-It’s a tricky one. It’s cheaper than a long romance that is eventually consumated, but more meaningful than a sex secene that involves a character we’ve never met before that is just randomly having sex with one of the protagonists. For me the vanquished foe has to be into it-To desire the union. I don’t think it’s impossible for this to be the case given the right circomstances and this technique provides those. I tried to show from the dialogue that Sleak has become more aware of some of Rath’s better qualities (she describes him as courageous and hunky) so it’s not her being out of her mind with hornyness-It’s a matter of her being able to see Rath as a desirable mate.
Of course, the great pleasure created by the technique probably helps in this regard, but it doesn’t take away the agency of the character. Perhaps a dating montage would help in the future? 🙂
Perhaps. It is weird that the Tanuki went from Kazu as his champion to Rath so easily.
I see it more adding Rath rather than replacing Kazu 🙂
I think you haven’t gone to far in my opinion as tanuki said it is like the perfect date scenario. her reluctance in this scenario is merely her being a tsundere though lots of people find them vexing and hard to like worry not peter regardless of where you go i will follow…unless it is gore and death stuff then it no longer is a sex thing and is a murder thing
Yes-Her reluctance (or pretence at such) is more about her pride in her position as leader and her tsundere tomboyish personality. It’s not meant to be her resisting some form of mind control. Although the Tanuki can be somewhat unreliable in this case he’s telling the truth. This move motivates and tempts but does not control.
That’s what i said in the previous strip , about Sleak XD
More or less-Good prediction 😀
Seeing that one of the requirements for this spell to work properly is that attraction must be possible, this isn’t mind altering. So I’m fine with. This is releasing inhibitions via pleasure, and bringing attraction one has for another to the surface that they otherwise wouldn’t express due to various reasons. This is not however same as release of inhibitions from being drunk, where one can wind up making decisions they never would make under any other circumstance if they weren’t drunk, including bedding someone they never would find attractive. I’m certain if Rath used this on some certain other characters we know, at best he would piss them off while making them horny, but no snu snu for him.
Yes-That’s the idea. The extreme pleasure stops the opponent for long enough to think and makes them a bit more receptive to romance whilst the other component of the ability gives them flashes of insight about the user of the ability and what if might be like to be with them. It’s a compression of an ordinary seduction rather than an effect that confuses or controls the mind. It has a decent chance of working on most people but they don’t have to act in any particular way as a result of it. They are simply shown the advantages of such a union. A temptation to something they might consider under normal circumstances rather than an alien force that distorts their judgement.
Perhaps next time I’ll show a montage of some of the things that are flashing through the head of the recipient of the power. Might be a good opportunity to learn about that character-What are their fantasies or romantic dreams.
I don’t view this as rape either. It’s more like some alpha male wooing and seducing a woman so she’ll agree to sleep with him (and maybe even regret it later but he was sooooo charismatic!!!!). Furthermore, when people are intoxicated IRL they do a LOT of sexual stuff they end up regretting later, but drunken consentual sex doesn’t become rape just because your mind isn’t working as normal at that time.
I understand that this scene can trigger people who have an actual trigger for rape, but I’d assume that for these people even things that could also happen in the context of rape, e.g. “embarrassing nudity”, would be hard to consume, so I’d expect them to have left comics like this one a long time ago.
I remember a scene from Erfworld that caused an intense discussion about rape, with one user getting triggered so hard that they had to be banned. That scene wasn’t rape and it wasn’t even sexual in nature. It was an ugly fat guy forcing his magic onto a helpless prisoner woman, leaving her crying and sobbing. Until that point Erfworld didn’t have anything happen that was anywhere near that. The next closest thing was consentual rough BDSM play between two women, so that scene must’ve blindsided that person who probably did have an actual trigger.
So, bottom line is that rape is a very sensitive topic to some people, and thus backlash is going to happen no matter what you do, but I believe that you did your due diligence when you explained how it’s a charm thing and this woman is just being a Tsundere.
Erfworld…. damn that is something I have not heard of in a LONG while.
Yup-It’s a very sensitive topic (and for good reason) and it’s a line I don’t want to cross even for my villains-Let alone my heroes. Dealing with erotic content is always a challenge with one person’s sexual fantasy triggering revulsion in another. As you say, the ‘defeat through modesty’ humiliation style techniques could be seen as a violation in that regard but to me they’re preferable (and more entertaining) that bloodthirsty violence-Which is strangely much more readily accepted than anything erotic.
Erfworld was cool. Some really great world and character design and a very good concept for a story 🙂